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 Post subject: WW2 Katana Mei Identification
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:47 am 
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Hi there everyone.

I was wondering if anyone can assist me in identifying/reading the Mei on my Katana.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated!

I apologise for the poor image quality, the original was too large to upload.

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 Post subject: Re: WW2 Katana Mei Identification
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:48 am 
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Nagamura?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 6:27 am 
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I think so, Nagamura.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 7:41 am 
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It is hard to see, but I think this is Nagamura, followed Kiyotsune ? saku. I may be wrong, but the family name is Nagamura and the art name is Kiyotsune. If correct, he was Seki Tosho from 1941/April/13. His personal name is Matsuichi?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 8:01 am 
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I didn't even notice the other Kanji till you pointed them out George.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:49 am 
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Yes Dave, very hard to see...after a few years experience you get a "feel" for what "should be there". It's just a learning curve, and when you get used to it...you start to "see" (or expect) more in some cases. I couldn't see the mei either, but I checked Nagamura (a surname) against my Seki Tosho list and there was Nagamura Kiyotsune...so I looked at the pic again and sure enough, I could now "see" it. I would expect the kanji I can't read to be "kitau" (forged). I'm not certain, but do you also see a Seki stamp?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 11:16 am 
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george trotter wrote:
It is hard to see, but I think this is Nagamura, followed Kiyotsune ? saku. I may be wrong, but the family name is Nagamura and the art name is Kiyotsune. If correct, he was Seki Tosho from 1941/April/13. His personal name is Matsuichi?

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Isn't the smith name Kiyonobu?

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 Post subject: Re: WW2 Katana Mei Identification
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 2:20 pm 
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Hi ...
Yes you are correct...it is Kiyonobu...gomen. I use the older kanji only list for constant practice, and as this nobu is very similar to tsune, I read tsune by mistake, I should have double-checked on my romaji list as well...apologies guys.
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 Post subject: Re: WW2 Katana Mei Identification
PostPosted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 5:17 pm 
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This is Nagamura Kiyonobu a WWII Rikugun Jumei Tosho from Gifu. He's on page 85 of Slough's.

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 Post subject: Re: WW2 Katana Mei Identification
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:17 am 
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Thank you so much for you expertise guys, it is very appreciated!
Does anyone have any more information regarding this particular swordsmith in regards to history or reputation etc?

Thanks again!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 7:53 am 
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Nic, as mentioned above, he appears on p.85 of John Slough "Modern Japanese Swordsmiths" and the tang illustrated matches yours. I notice in Slough that there is a small squarish stamp above the peg hole which says "Tan" (forged). I "think" I see this stamp on yours...if so it apparently means hand made, rather than "churned out" using mill-steel and oil tempering. The Tan stamp is very rare...can you post clearer pics?
Slough says this smith was Rikugun Jumei Tosho (Army approved swordsmith), but I can't find him on my list...but that may just be me. So, your sword may be a military sword of little artistic merit, or a military sword of handmade quality, as he apparently made both. better pics of blade and tang may help members point you to a clearer answer.
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 Post subject: Re: WW2 Katana Mei Identification
PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:38 am 
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Thank you so much for your correspondence!
I have posted a cropped pic of the Tan. The image is poor due to the image size restraints on the forum. It definitely is a square symbol, it was one of the first things I noticed when I first saw the tang!
The katana was given to me by my grandmother who obtained it through her uncle who served during the war. I must get more details as I am sure the history behind it is fascinating.

Thanks again,

Nic


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 9:50 am 
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Here is an image of the katana stripped down.
Note the spacers (seppa) and the left hand side of the Tsuba. The right hand side shows 3 spacers. The left also has 3 but was stuck under the middle seppa due to the oil.
Hopefully this sheds some light on the blade.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:19 pm 
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Nic,
yes, that is tan which means forged. Collectors disagree on what it implies...handmade? or partly handmade or ...?
Yours is only the second one I've seen in 40 years...I think it would need a close examination by a knowledgeable member to (possibly) come close to answering this question. Some say all "stamped" swords are not True Nihonto except for possibly some of the star stamped blades by the Rikugun Jumei Tosho which your guy seems to be...so, short answer...can't really comment on quality/type of blade from here (Australia). Shape looks nice, close-ups of blade, temperline/hamon and tip etc would be nice.
By all means get history, names, dates, rank, operation etc...it is all important.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 28, 2010 12:28 pm 
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I vote Tan means traditionaly forged. ie Gendaito

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